Mag. In shorter barrels, performance declines dramatically. Download Image. etc. Load Data &Technical Information by Cartridge. Like all 7mms, they can fire bullets as light as 100-grains and as heavy as 180-grains. 7mm Rem. Mag., 7mm Weatherby Mag., .275 H&H Mag., 7mm Dakota, 7mm STW and 7mm Rem. (3133 ft. If I had to choose between the two you mentioned it would definately be the 7mm wsm. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. i love my model 70 chambered in 7mm rem mag. rifles. I just post my opinions like everybody else. These claims are valid if the short magnum cartridges are fired in 24 inch barrels, the same length as the barrels of most 7mm Rem. The 140 grain factory load advertises a MV of 3225 fps (3175 fps) and ME of 3233 ft. lbs. I have shot most of my stuff with a .300 Win mag and it has never failed me. The 7mm wsm will not outdo the 7mm rem mag. Mag. First, this is not a series on 270 WSM vs 7mm Rem. (7x57mm, 7mm WSM, 7mm Rem. I own and shoot about everything and have no biases so I just tell it like it is. lbs. It's now been surpassed by the 7mm Remington Ultra Mag. 15.64 fps 30.4 foot-pounds Astute readers will notice a few things from these numbers: Contrary to popular belief, the heavier bullet does not drift less in the wind. That's plausible. The .284/7mm cartridge clan has become second in numbers only to the .30 caliber cartridges in North America. Does the perfect muley cartridge really exist? Sniper’s Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. Re: 7mm mag vs 7mm wsm ?? Having reloaded since the mid '60's, I don't care to reload belted cases, and am interested in the SAUM or WSM. It would still be short enough to feed from the magazine. In my opinion the 7mm rem mag is just in no mans land because it has no real advantage over the smaller cases and if a guy wants a magnum to seperate from that field then the obvious choice is the stw since the wby cases are way overpriced to do the 7mm-300 wby. At first glance, it is clear that the 7mm Rem Mag rounds have higher BCs than the .30-06 rounds with several of the rounds breaking the .6 mark. In order to obtain that performance from a .30 caliber, I would need to jump into the .300 Win. The difference in velocity between the 7mm SAUM cartridge and the 7mm Winchester Short Magnum (WSM) is less than 50 feet per … Mag. More Galleries of 7mm Wsm Vs. 7mm Rem Mag. Most everybody else has a different view and that doesn't bother me in the least. per sec. I would pick your preferred bullet and measure the oal when seated to the base of the neck and verify that will work with your magazine and then have the barrel throat cut to match. What am I missing? For the 7mm Rem Mag vs .30-06, we have compiled the BCs for all ten of the rounds we have been and will continue to use for comparison throughout the article (Graph 4). Download Image Photo detail for : Title: 7mm Wsm Vs 7mm Rem Mag Date: April 16, 2019 Size: 62kB Resolution: 736px x 736px Download Image. If you are determined to use the 7mm bullets look at the 280 rem, 280 improved, and 284 win. 3.5 lbs. The cheapest 7mm Rem. SAUM, 7-30 Waters, 7mm-08 Rem., 7x64mm Brenneke, .284 Win., .280 Rem., 7mm Rem. Ammo availability and cost go to the .30-06 as well. In my opinion, there is no difference in recoil between the 7mm Rem Mag and the .300 Win Mag. The 7mm STW was designed by Lane Simpson of Shooting Times magazine in about 1988. Good hunting, have a safe trip when your in the field. Mag. 3.89 lbs. Mag. Mag. vs. .28 Nosler vs. 7mm RUM The U.S.A. hasn’t fully adopted the metric system, but our shooters and hunters have. More available, more affordable, definitely not going away. New amazing Quarter Minute Magnums 7mm Rem. The 7mm SAUM is an ideal cartridge for long-range competition and long-range hunting. And the 7mag kicks a 150gr @19.2 ft lbs!) Extremely accurate and has the velocity to be much more effective at long range. The 7mm Saum is dead and the 7mm WSM seems so also. Much lighter recoil and the ammo is cheaper. The following are Winchester 7mm WSM figures, with Remington 7mm SAUM figures in parenthesis. 7mm rem mag is a little overkill for most game, but a good reloader can make bullets for everything from moose to coyote. Mule Deer Cartridge Showdown: .270 Win. The 7wsm case capacity is approx 81.5 and the 7mm Rem mag is around 82.5 depending on the brass of course so the case capacities are a wash. Aother good comparison to hash out would be the 7 SAUM and the 7 WSM. Top dog in my stable is a 7 STW with a 28" barrel running 87gr of Retumbo with moly plated 150gr Swift Scirrocos at an average of 3428fps. All comments are my opinion unless otherwise indicated. 7mm mag vs 300 Short mag by: PB I have owned a Remington 7mm mag rifle(s) and used it almost exclusively for hunting deer, elk and moose since 1968. Shoots factory ammo - 0.34" at 200 YARDS! Ultra Mag.) 7mm Magnum Showdown: 7mm Rem. I purchased it to build a custom rifle on, but im now going in a different direction, so the T3x is surplus to requirements. It would work great in a long action so you could seat the bullet out to the rifling and it still feed easily through the magazine. Gun Parts - Stocks, Barrels, Actions, etc. You must log in or register to reply here. We put 3 popular cartridges to a head-to-head-to-head test Both rifles work equally as well. The SAUM was designed to produce 7mm Remington Magnum performance from a much smaller cartridge case and more compact rifle configuration. One stat to compare is the MPBR = Maximum Point Blank Range. It may not display this or other websites correctly. If I was building a hunting rifle in 7mm it would be the 7mm stw unless there were other considerations. Mag. How about throat life? And, when you get into the heavier bullets, it will outperform the short mags. needing 1.3 mils for a 10 mph full value wind. IMO, unless you're really sold on some short action rifle, you'd be better served by the 7mm Rem Mag. When I want a magnum 7mm I go to my 7mm-300 wby or 7mm stw and step up well beyond the others for serious long range hunting. The 7mm WSM and 7mm Rem. JavaScript is disabled. Mag. 7mm Wsm Vs. 7mm Rem Mag Can 264 Winchester Magnum Rise From Dead?. The 7wsm case capacity is approx 81.5 and the 7mm Rem mag is around 82.5 depending on the brass of course so the case capacities are a wash. I've seen on a variety of pages that the bolt face is compatible with 300WSM, 270WSM, 7MM WSN, and a number of others to include 6.5 SAUM or 7mm Rem SAUM, of which the last two are the most interesting to me because I've read they have longer barrel lives than the standard WSM's and their ballistics are better. I have a basically brand new T3x in 7mm Rem Mag here, still in box with owners manual etc. The resemblance to the 7mm Remington Magnum is uncanny; the case length is 2.50 inches, the base diameter and belt is the same, but the .275 H&H has a bit more body taper than does the 7mm Remington Magnum. Mag. I appreciate very much all the different opinions on here and that is what makes it a great learning experience. His original rifle was a Rem 700 with a McMillan stock all set up to make a fairly nice middleweight rifle that would in his words "have a banjo string trajectory", plenty of punch, but light enough to carry in mountainous country. slm9s The two Barnes loads have almost an identical amount of wind drift, but the 7mm Rem Mag Nosler AccuBond load has a slight edge over the .300 Win Mag AccuBond load. The 7mm shoots .284-inch diameter bullets through bores .28-inch across, but only two use this Imperial measuring system in their titles: .280 Remington and .284 Winchester, both excellent but under-rated “standard” velocity cartridges. This series is also not about best “all around caliber”. I think the rem mag has an additional advantage in useable capacity when both are seated to max sammi oal length especially with longer bullets. 7mm SAUM with a 24" barrel runs 68gr. With the 7 SAUM you get to play soft head roulette in Norma or Nosler. In a long action the 7WSM would have slight usable capacity advantage if throated to seat the bullet at the base of the neck. I'm not a fan of the short and super-short mags. If you want something "in between", then definately the 7mm-08. By Chuck Hawks. So I would pick the most efficient one which would be the wsm. Otherwise I would not consider anything but the 7mm stw. But just like the wildcats based off the 280 and 30-06 cases, the 7mm wsm is virtually the same performance as the 7mm rem mag in a more efficient case making all of those a very good choice instead of the powder guzzling 7mm rem mag. Founded by Frank Galli in 2014, Sniper’s Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to it’s users in one location. with either the Berger 215- or 230-grain Hybrid and push them at maximum pressures. Remington introduced the 7mm Short Action Ultra Magnum (SAUM) cartridge in 2002 to compete with the 7mm Winchester Short Magnum cartridge. 7mm Rem Mag with a 24" barrel runs 73gr R-22 with moly plated 140 Partitions at 3300fps. In the 'ol saying "Theres no replacement for displacement" I dont see how the wsm can out do the rem mag? It can come with a DPT 20 moa rail and 30mm … I have five of them and a 7mm rem mag along with the wby mag. I am sorry if I offend anyone but I tell the facts as I see them. As far as the discussion between the 300 short mag and the 7mm mag I think you are splitting hairs. JavaScript is disabled. They are all within less than 100 fps of each other and that is just not enough to matter considering the benefits of the smaller cases. The 7mm-08 is a bit closer to the 308 and doesn't really come close to the ballistics of the 7mm mag. We observed excellent performance with … The 7mm SAUM holds less powder--but that's a good thing, since the capacity is more than adequate to do the job. 14.07 fps 24.6 foot-pounds. Remington claims that the ballistics of the 7mm SAUM equal those of the popular 7mm Rem. For all practical purposes though, there isn’t a significant difference in the ballistics of the .300 Win Mag and 7mm Rem Mag at typical hunting ranges. TECHNICAL INFORMATION: Combining high performance and a short action chassis, the 7mm SAUM is equivalent to the 7mm WSM in almost all respects. The STW, based on the 8mm Rem Mag parent case was once the biggest commercially available 7mm Magnum in terms of case capacity. (7mm-08 kicks a 140gr @ 12.6 ft lbs. I have just never been thrilled by the 7mm Rem Mag. vs. 7mm Rem. I assure you no offense taken at all. If barrel and throat erosion are a concern, stick with the 7mm Rem Mag or maybe a 7mm Weatherby Mag. 300 Win. 7mm Rem Short Action Ultra Mag -- Best of the Bunch? Canyon Lake outside San Antonio in the hill countr. In 2002, the same year as the introduction of the 7mm SAUM, Winchester released their own short magnum, the 7mm WSM. Reloading Information. With either the WSM or the SAUM, you're $2 a shot and up. Mag. SAUM boast similar ballistics. I look at all this with considerable interest, having just inherited some rifles, including an R700 7mm Remington Magnum. These will give substantially better performance than the 308 and won't burn barrels nearly as fast as the 7mm mag. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I also have a .300 Wthby in a Rem 700, but I don't think it provides much real advantage over the Win version. A 7 WSM with a 175 SMK or VLD will get the job done with authority out to your personal game harvesting limits. I still have one 7mm rem mag in my collection but it gets no work because my 7mm gibbs (30-06 case), 7mm jrs (280 case) and the 7mm wsm all have about the same performance as the 7mm rem mag with less powder, recoil and noise. Mag. I am building a hunting rifle with one of them and wondering if I use the berger bullet and have to use a long action would it be best to make it a 7 rem mag instead of the 7wsm. H-4831sc with moly plated 140 Accubonds right at 3200fps. velocities are almost the same...more ammo choices with the full size cartridge. You are trying to choose between two cartridges that are virtually identical in performance. it is the perfect hunting rifle. WSM vs. SAUM -- Key Considerations In some respects, the 7mm SAUM cartridge may be better than the 7mm WSM. ). As the quote says, pick the rifle first. 7mm Rem Short Action Ultra Magnum Load Data; ... 7mm Rem Mag Brass 7mm Rem Ultra Mag Brass 7mm Rem SAUM Brass 7mm Shooting Times Westerner Brass 7mm-08 Remington Brass 7x57 Mauser Brass. Mag. I currently have both a 700 Remington and a M77 Ruger type rifles. Prior to getting too old & decrepid, I plan on an elk or caribou hunt within the next five years. With more choices in bullets, higher ballistic coefficients, and sectional density, the 7mm would be a better choice than the 270 WSM. That would be for a shorter barreled light rifle that would not require a brake. what is the difference in those two .....besides powder capacity and the different length actions? I would like some info. Save Share. The caliber of choice is 7mm. I guess I need to know is is the 7 rem just as accurate as the 7wsm. Abbreviated Name: 7mm Rem SA Ultra Mag Slang Name: 7mm SAUM . The two competing cartridges were presented to the market but only one survived - the 7mm WSM. I understand the 7mm rem mag has been very popular for many years and I have owned several taking several animals with them. on the difference between the 7wsm and the 7 rem mag other than less powder. You must log in or register to reply here. Perhaps it caries better, has a shorter bolt throw, but my limited knowledge of physics and terminal performance says the rem mag will out perform the wsm simply do to more oomph behind the same bullet. You are using an out of date browser. With the 7 Rem Mag you can get RWS brass, some of the best brass in the world that will outlast 3-4 barrels. If it were, the big 7 would win. per sec. Reply. vs. .300 Win. Is the WSM supposed to be slightly more accurate or what.....seems like kinda splitting hairs. As the slow burning powders that allow a case this large weren’t available in 1912, the cartridge didn’t catch on. "30 Nosler is a very impressive round" says Josh at Copper Creek Cartridge Company, Mounting Sling Studs and Flush Cups in Foam Core Stocks. and exactly the same claim is made for the 7mm WSM. Both calibers are popular, but Federal lists 35 varieties of .30-06 and only 22 kinds of 7mm Rem. It will continue to be popular because of all the rifles chambered in it. It was designed specifically for the Remington Model Seven Magnum rifle, and intended primarily for long-range hunting use. Unless you really like odd cartridges only the 7mm RM is likely to last much longer. But the driving force behind the shortmags could just as likely have been a mandate from marketing to dream up another neato magnum offering so they could sell more guns and ammo. Other cartridges in that power range are the 7mm Weatherby Magnum, the 280 Remington, 280 AI, 7-64, 7-61 S&H, 7-68 VH, 284 Win. from Federal costs $1.95 per round for a box of 20 while the .30-06 is only $1.30 per round for 20. 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